We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). 25. Thanks for reading! We dont think rational thought is dangerous. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. Its my calling and my ministry. Again its too legalistic. You might But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. Its insidious and extremely toxic. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. Its never spoken but up there to read. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. JUDAH. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. Then you have churches with no standards . Others are very much unfair criticism. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? For example, #54. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. Christ suffered and 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. 33. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Oh well, maybe another discussion. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? THE LAST THINGS 16. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. 51. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. 18. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. Apart from Him we can do nothing. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. Amen! 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. 35. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. Your happy mega churches do too. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. Everyone has health issues. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. I had my part. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. 55. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. 4,2, and 7 month old. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. If you party, DO NOT drink. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. N/A Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. N/A If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. Hypocrites! All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. 9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. We cant save people, only God can. 39. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17).
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