[Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. 2) Free Travel! There is not a lot to do these days in an aircraft cabin. Same pattern emerges for Captains as well. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. In other words, the airline is trying to exclude anyone who has a family, a college degree, or is looking to build a career. There are highly educated older people sitting around and posting on onemileatatime.com somewhat bored while a high-earning spouse pulls down a large salary. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. In the past, he has always favored taking care of his employees. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. Breeze Airways - Breeze careers As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. @samuel. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. 909 N. Sepulveda Blvd, 11th Floor Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. Not my kind of thing. Just be transparent. Have you gone to college? Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. Such a shame. Does Breeze offer enough pay to pilots? Great article !!! Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. Eight hours plus. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? How awful that Neeleman is forcing people to work under these conditions with a gun to their head! You can't have a million dollar dream with minimum wage work ethics. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. How much does Breeze Airways pay in the United States? When I spoke to Utah Valley Univ recruiters they hinted heavily the program was designed for the under 25 crowd. This wage is above the federal minimum wage, includes housing and a $6k tuition credit. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. . Breeze has started hiring pilots, and its making pay at some regional airlines look lucrative by comparison (and keep in mind pilots often work at regional airlines to gain experience, and eventually get a job at one of the major carriers). *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Salary; Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF: Breeze Aviation Group: Norfolk, VA: $34K-$53K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time PVU: Breeze Aviation Group: Provo, UT: $39K-$60K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time TPA: Breeze Aviation Group: Tampa, FL: $33K-$53K: Intern Procurement - Summer 2023: Breeze Aviation . The pay scale also looks good. Log in or . . A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? All rights reserved. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. If adults want to work the jobs Breeze offers and are satisfied with it then there is no cynical exploitation, even though legacy unions might wish that it were so. Oh wait. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. A 25 year veteran Flight Attendant is exactly who you want on a Flight if there's any type of emergency. I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on the same route regardless of what they think of labor rights or real college education. If not the airplane no flight. The race to the bottom continues. It's not so nice to say, but the truth is that young untrained employees aren't always worth that much. It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. @Robert. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. Flight attendants as interns is a novel idea on paper but. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six This hasnt been without controversy, though. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. I'm assuming Breeze knows there's going to be a number of unemployed pilots and $77K+ a year is better than unemployment benefits. The experience and skillset I got at that first job enabled me to quickly move into work paying many multiples of that first internship-like position. This is cynical exploitation at its worst and I hope that the public recognises this and vote with their feet. Where do I sign up? We wont pay for nice things. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. I think a lot of Airlines would be happy to have the pilots at 55 instead of 75. I have suggested reestablishing a mandatory retirement age for flight crew and a renaming to inflight first responders. So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Once the market rebounds they will have to adjust the MMG to remain competitive. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. Kinda like most private sector unions. they are transparent. I am quite happy Doctor Kendor didn't get too comfortable in some cushy union-enabled physical therapy gig offering an artificial pay scale and relentlessly reinforcing an artificial sense of self-importance. Guess which days you're going to be working? Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. If "older experienced flight attendants" feel somehow entitled to higher pay or don't like the legal work conditions or don't like the fact that being a flight attendant inherently means time away from family, that is not Breeze's problem. Kendor gonna be thrilled when Breeze slashes wages by another third in exchange for company scrip redeemable for filet mignon sandwiches. I explained more in my previous posts. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Because it is an opportunity to teach them the skills to land a career or job that they would not have otherwise had a chance for. So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. Nice. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! Just wondering if there will be many legal challenges here? No person interactions. And Moron #27 it's an INTERNSHIP.not a career. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. Mar 22, 2022 #1 Effective immediately: 6-year scale Year 1: $25.00 -27.00 (depending on experience) Year 6: $34.00 . $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. I sure appreciate it. Young people / College students have an ability to enjoy activities that are very cheap / free. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. Unions. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. Aviation is amazing!! Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. Breeze Airways Close. That's the Breeze way. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. We live in a free market economy. Classes are 100% online. All around me were developers making millions of dollars of year in salary and stock options, and there was little old me, paid hourly making about $28,000 a year in an expensive city. 3 Your speculation about FA rest and workload is also rank speculation. pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. Nobody knows yet. I have no doubts in my mind that they'll increase it in time, but they need a few years of profitability under their belt first so they can justifiably offer higher hours/pay. Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. 2) Free Travel! Prime Minister/Moderator. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. Breeze Airways | AirlinePilotCentral.com It gets so tiresome. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. Even if it flies at first, at some point of growth, you won't be able to justify career training. Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. Breeze's minimum qualifications The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. Their value is astronomical. Considering that airlines pay for very expensive training twice a year, this tactic may prove more expensive in the long run. Breeze Airways is finally making its debut on May 27 just in time for Memorial Day weekend and the start of what will likely be a busy summer season. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! Very clever. may be it is totally moronic. Breeze Airways Employee Reviews for Flight Attendant - Indeed It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. Maybe wait and see? It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Not if you wanted good work done. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Makes sense, and given right now there is a surplus of supply of pilots in the market they are able to lower wages to increase profits and thus be more likely to succeed. Working at Breeze Airways: Employee Reviews | Indeed.com Well your also comparing companies that have been in business for a substantial time period. your username . Breeze initially only hired flight attendants who didn't have college degrees, so that they could enroll in an online university and live in company housing, getting paid only $1,200 per month; when the airline didn't get enough interest there, Breeze started hiring part-time flight attendants Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! New airplane, new business model. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Sad that people in society know what's best for everybody else and don't want people making their own decisions. Dolts.read the whole article. It's that, or these guys and their families starve. As far as "part-time", pilots are "at work" 300 to 400 hours per month in order to fly 80 hours. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. Thanks !! We spend $100K plus on flight training plus college for most of us. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. But thank you again for the advice. The old adage "Skilled labor isn't cheap - Cheap labor isn't skilled" still applies. So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. Customer service: Generally speaking, younger hires are friendlier and perkier. Your speculation about how Breeze flight attendant will or will not make ends meet is rank speculation. The pay is horrifically low, though. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. There are young people for whom a collegial work environment and highly social university-style housing would be quite appealing while they build skills. This is a disappointment in many ways. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Wondering about pilot recruitment/requirements. Jobs at Breeze Airways - Greenhouse This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Spirit may have higher "margins", i.e. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. Today the average annual income for A320 FO's are at incredible $20k. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. Age of planes? Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. No one is forcing applicants to accept pay they don't like. This isnt a job, its servitude by hopeless people who have been abandoned by their government and economic system. Glorious. Great article !!! This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. You think this college student focused recruit is the only thing they've planned for beyond the short term? Breeze Airways Hello! Off topic, sorry. Time away from home and on duty? Landing June 2023. What we learned about Breeze in this week's DOT filing Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. hide. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. Past Flight Receipts. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. End stage capitalism here people. Or perhaps thats actually the goal that Breeze wants a revolving door of pilots so that it can keep pilots towards the bottom of the pay scale. It may be time to consider this for FAs too. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. I don't know if they will succeed, but credit them for thinking outside the box. Friday, September 30, 2022 Contact; Advertise; About Us; Subscribe; Videos; Accessibility; 0 items $0.00; Sign in. Could happen. There will be plenty of applicants! I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. Its not gonna work. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. Maybe housing benefit becomes a retention factor, but beyond that the high turnover seems like it would risk leveling out the reduced labor costs. Neeleman has a track record of success in the industry, so Im curious to see how this venture works out. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. Attn: Airline Pilot Central Kendor coming out strongly in favor of Gilded Age company towns, I see. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. Given the circumstances, the airline carrier will be in dire need of profits to recoup its initial investments. That sums up who youll be flying behind if you choose to fly on this completely unproven carrier. This page was updated on October 13, 2022 (Quicktake, Payscales, Fleet). An airline, perfect for SLC. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. And you're worried about the quality of housing? As in, Gompers? Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. He must anticipate a lot of employee churn and be okay with that risk, deeming it worth the extra-low cost structure and less likely to result in speedy unionization, if it leads to it at all. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. Yes, they are using and abusing us. /s. Breeze Airways Opens Flight Attendant Recruitment Beyond Online 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month - One Mile at a Time Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Be honest. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! So a lifelong career. I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. There's a lot Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). These comments are something else. At 5 bucks an hour. I hope it does not come off the ground and if it does, it goes bankrupt after a week. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Sounds very ME3. New or retreads? David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. You don't get any insurances. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. There will be scheduled 1% pay raises on September 15, 2023, and September 15, 2024. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. Fingers crossed and ready to go! 100% Upvoted. . P Glotzer (United States) 1st March 2023. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. *No insurance provided. That would make for some interesting competition to Southwest. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six And to survive afterwards, once pilots leave in droves, theyll have to drop their requirements to the lowest legal, AND pay a more than competitive wagetheyre shooting themselves in the left main. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. May be this a good business model. There is no coercion, there is no exploitation - if the pay is too little, pilots won't join and they'll have to revamp their compensation structure to entice people to join. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. And if I had a time machine I would go back and slap, poor, poor me silly and tell me to redirect my attention to the unlimited opportunities that were sitting right in front of me every day I drove across the lake and clocked into work. Interesting, @EMBCAPTN. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. High Flex. 2. All that said, I'm currently COO for a NON-union airline, and we will make sure we pay our pilots (and all employees) fairly with work conditions and benefits that will never have them needing a union to ask for more. No Per Diem. Housing and travel to/from work provided. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. Pilots are guaranteed pay of $75 per month. I can't always trust a computer system to give me the perks or pay attention to the details I care about. Would much rather have spent my time working for peanuts high in the sky, and jetting to interesting places. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. Ahead of the launch, Forbes has an interesting story about the airline, after having spent some time with founder David Neeleman. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Im sure theyd leap at the chance to earn USD given the depreciation of the R$. Get real. But, lets be clear: unless theres a fairly substantial number of mid-career/midlife/middle aged people among the flight attendants, apart from seeking to keep labor (and other) costs down, its hard to miss the happy coincidence of also having an angle/approach that just so happens to allow for forever young flight attendants - like airlines based in countries that still allow for to hiring and firing based on age. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. The average pilot will make more than this. Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". I would have jumped at this deal in college. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. Salary to both of these groups of people is somewhat incidental. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. I worked as a host at a restaurant for minimum wage in college and didnt make close to $1200/mo and still had full tuition and room/board to pay. I think at a pay rate of $1,200 a month, most of their flight attendants will come from A Handmaids Tale!
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