[8] They refuse any form of ecclesial authority other than that of the local church. The Bible has plenty in it of rules, and I doubt someone who believes in a burning hell forever can really get a supposed love message across. 2. Thou shalt leave tracts in various and sundry places: the aisles of Walmart, in library books, at the doctors office, so that all may know the Good News of the Gospel. Going to the movies could also lead to you having a bad testimony before the world. Most of us have seen situations in the workplace, or in our families, in which whistleblowers were despised and cast out for telling the truth about a situation that threatened people within the group. Baptism therefore represents the Gospel, which consists of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. Be firm with him. It's unlikely there isn't an IFB church within a half-hour drive from your house. Biblical authority: the Bible is God's inspired Word and the final authority for what a person believes and practices. Dented, maybe, a little -- but definitely not broken. Where you claim what's true. I am curious why the Ifb doesnt want Christians to go to the movie theatre? You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. Could someone please explain? People do not like to be made to confront ugly things. For years people who have read the satire and parody on the Stuff Fundies Like blog have asked for someone write a companion that not only points out the problems in Baptist Fundamentalism but also . One particularly painful experience of nursing mothers is the biting baby. Your reporters deserve better management than this. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. That is their unforgiveable sin. On the bare legs or bottom, switch him eight or ten licks; then, while waiting for the pain to subside, speak calm words of rebuke. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! - Forums For Independent Baptists - Online Baptist Community I ask this for your opinions, thoughts, and insights. Students may be expelled at any time, for any reason, if the president of the school deems the reason sufficient (my 2nd grade brother was expelled for defiance). When in the 1940s and 1950s former fundamentalists such as Billy Graham, Carl F.H. Shellnut is also helpful in clarifying just who these independent fundamentalist Baptists are: Around 2.5 percent of Americans identify as independent Baptists, according to thePew Research Center more than belong to the Assemblies of God, Churches of Christ, or Episcopal and Anglican churches. The study of literature no longer animates students' minds and souls. Cathy, if you had read more of what Bruce wrote, you would see that your simplistic message isnt necessary. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination paints a picture of God also as one who is a military leader, unhappy with all the disobedience happening among his people and patiently waiting for when he can punish us and correct our deviant behavior. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. While neo-evangelicals sent their kids to Wheaton College or Fuller Theological Seminary, fundamentalist Baptist kids went toBob Jones UniversityorPensacola Christian College. Fundies forget that God can do a sudden I have changed my mind crazy Ivan on them at any moment. Let me stress here at the beginning that this is not about churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention; those Baptist churches are thought to be too liberal by the independent fundamentalists. But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. The primary function of a woman is to have children, who then become her mission field. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of IFB is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. Remove that variable from the equation and youll never arrive at the form or content of IFB fundamentalism as it currently exists. Part 2: Southern Baptist churches hired ministers accused of past sex offenses. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. In surviving the worst, survivors of IFB have become the best. Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowships more common in the North as well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in the South Central Baptist Theological Seminary professor Kevin Baudertold Quick to Listenfor the CT podcasts explainer on such churches. This guide to "consistently rewarding every transgression with a switching" (from the book's introduction) has sold more than 670,000 copies. . One of the hardest life lessons I ever had to learn is that in the main, people prefer to be deceived. May 27, 2011 -- Ernest Willis, a New Hampshire man accused of raping and fathering a child with a 15-year-old girl . It really is that simple. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. (Not the liberal InterVarsity, mind you, Campus Crusade.). They insisted upon that ignoble facade despite the too-clear harm it was causing. You trusted. Im sure that if your God is all about love and grace he will know our hearts better than you and will fully understand in his 3-omni way. He will very quickly come to know that any time he is laid down there is no alternative but to stay put. And out of that love you gave them the best of who you are to do with whatever they felt they needed to. Not sure if they are trinitarian. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. Blockbuster report about systemic sex crimes in ultra-conservative Protestant churches. Excerpt: Stories like that display a Roman Catholic problem, right? Oh, as a new convert attending an Adventist college, I actually said, heck or darn around one of the older teachers (40 years ago). More than 200 people current or former church members, across generations shared their stories of rape, assault, humiliation and fear in churches where male leadership cannot be questioned. Thou shalt not work a job as a woman even if thou canst afford the private school and live in a shitty house because your husband spends all his after tax money on the private school and tithing. Thou shalt hide this alcohol so the pastor doesnt see it when he visits you because you missed Sunday school due to a hangover. a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest, Todays Psychology Cant Help American Men. You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. Praise god amen we were unharmed.except for being fucked mentally for years. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gods-grace-bible-study-wi/support Truth Unbound with Walter Swaim 11h ago What does the description of an "Independent Fundamental Baptist" Church mean? Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. NOT so that we can all march over there and say "huzzah! They pretended to be something they weren't. Good day, sir. Let us always bear in mind that the IFB no more represents Christianity than the Taliban represents Islam. A bit later, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it split away to join the GARB (the General Association of Regular Baptists no, really, thats a thing). Thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one man followed in obedience where the Lord led. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards. In Christ alone. The investigation is ongoing. Then, say people who were in attendance, he proceeded to praise Giovanelli. He did not respond to specific questions that were sent to him. I escaped when I was about 20 and went to the world. History of Landmarkism. Rod Dreher is a senior editor atThe American Conservative. To know is to be responsible. They try to control people and do evangelize. Thou shalt go to KFC on Sundays after services. Every abortion, without exception, is murder. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. #1. Sometimes alternatives have to be sought. A god who condemns people to an eternal hell for evil committed during a human lifespan isnt worthy of worship. * Maybe some can relate to this cartoon from NAKEDPASTOR. The person should go to the pastor, and the pastor will talk to the offender. In any case, we are definitely living in the end times before the 2nd coming of Christ. Apr 26, 2017. You know that I am Independent. But these folks were seen as a little bit too much by most of the people in the church, whose kids got to choose places like Philadelphia College of the Bible or Northeastern Bible College. But I find it believable (which is not to say that I believe it, if you appreciate the distinction). And may you recognize your error while there is still time. Thou wilt pledge money on the last Sunday evening of every month to the building fund even if you cant pay your rent or mortgage on the first. 3. 6.) Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. Never put him down and then allow him to get up. Your comments are welcome and appreciated. He was a great man! What a list! Oh, did I mention we were homeschooled and socially retarded. Exempt this special report from your paywall. Oh my. I am certain you are far more intelligent a man than I am, so I do not wish to debate you. I remember one of the missionary wives who was married to the man who used to be a division leader in the bus ministry at hac and fbc and I always thought she looked and dressed so incredibly homely, almost as if she walked straight out of Little House on the Prairie set. Some of the best godly preachers like Jonathan Edwards and Charles Haddon Spurgeon were Baptists. Glad the LORD has used them, to influence your life! Scripture alone. I wondered how in the world that man could look at his wife much less have sex with her because why would you defile such a woman who looked so sheepish and innocent!! I know that they are KJV only and Arminian. If thou dost sin and eat at a restaurant (due to the slothful disposition of thy wife), then thou shalt leave a tract for the server-never a tip. Christians are called to remain steadfastly separate from the world and its sinful practices and temptations, such as movies, dancing and any music with an addictive rock beat. Their page says "Our church is a friendly fundamental Bible-believing Independent Baptist . For a sense of what this second-degree or double-separation means, think of Bob Jones dismissive definition of an evangelical: Someone who says to a liberal: Ill call you a Christian if you call me a scholar. Independent. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . An Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Hate List Bruce Gerencser November 13, 2020 Evangelicalism 58 Comments The Bible says in 1 John 2:15,16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. Think, learn, and dont be a judgmental asshole. Image Conscious They kept what they needed. #1. Jackson filed a police report. We were, I suppose, fundamentalist with evangelical highlights. New IFB Beliefs. Thou shalt leave a tract in the restroom after thou hast used it. Your word is final. She gave me a five-minute counseling session and told me she would have to tell Pastor Schaap and the nurse, inform the doctor. are now routinely included as simply evangelicals. Im not sure what this means, exactly, but I think it means something. Other than Toledo, the 419 area code is pretty rural. It was beyond comprehension in my little brain back then. or a year or whatever. (1) Some congregations have dominating pastors with unchecked authority. I have tried to overlook them, but they won't go away. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Ugh. He cries in pain. First Baptist Church of Glenarden 4.5. Shellnut also draws on Messiah College historian John Feas description of these independent fundamentalist Baptists, so lets turn to that. https://www.nakedpastorstore.com/blogs/news/adoring-pastors. Enforcing King James only-ism down the throats in some of their groups. Another rule for students was that thou shalt not attend the roller skating rink upon threat of expulsion. Are you saying God is a legalist? NIFB Is A Cult | The NIFB Will Not Be Tolerated. Dreherlives in Baton Rouge, La. If fundies really understood this, it would probably scare the shit out of them. Seems redundant. It wasnt long before I traveled the road to liberal Christian to agnostic atheist. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. A case in which an adult woman publicly accused a prominent pastor of having manipulated her at age 16 into giving him oral sex and having an adulterous relationship: When Giovanelli resigned from Golden State Baptist College after the abuse allegation went viral, the chancellor of the college and the pastor of its affiliated church asked the congregation to pray for the church, the college, and the Giovanelli family. Please be advised that this rulebook is subject to change at the whim of the pastor. And it was, of course, wholly absent among Christians before 1611. Other Christians who were once, or who would once have been, clearly a part of the fundamentalist camp Al Mohler, Ken Ham, David Barton, etc. Pendleton (1811-1891). He speaks for God, and God alone may judge him. You brought the best of yourself. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. Though not all in the movement look the same, the Duggars showcase several theological and cultural distinctives common among independent fundamental Baptists: adhering to strict biblical inerrancy, usually based exclusively on the King James Version (KJV); homeschooling; abstaining from pop culture as entertainment; and dressing modestly. Finally, now, it's time for you to dance to your own song. Brightseat Rd + Third St. $43,000 - $55,000 a year. I have been independent fundamental Baptist churches since I was four. And when you cant question your leaders, weve seen it in politics, you know what happens. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. It was they who lied -- first to themselves, and then to you. The Black Baptist preachers affiliated with the SBC aren't proclaiming a Black Jesus, railing against white racism, or demanding reparations from white Baptists. I spent thousands and thousands of hours reading and studying the Bible. See where Im going with this? Shame on you, sir. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament." . But Black Baptists reject the MAGA revolution that has taken the GOP, and the SBC, by storm. The central role of white supremacy explicit and implicit in the independent fundamentalist Baptist movement deserves more study and more insight than I can easily provide. 7 reviews. Spending TOO MUCH time with conspiracy theories than fundamental Bible preaching. Human life begins at conception. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear. It upheld what it believed to be. Young-earth creationism, premillennial dispensationalism, and fervent support for segregation are also not core doctrines that could be found among Christians before the 19th century or anywhere outside of IFBs parochial American context. It has been redacted and edited into the simplified 1611 King James Bible (its not a version, versions are of Satan). I have no research or data to support this, but my sense is that this space between is growing and becoming ever more the center of gravity for white evangelicalism as a whole. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. Human nature is a destructive force. You did what you were supposed to do: you sacrificed yourself. You could look into resolutions by Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International or World Congress of . Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective. The modern fundie bible is full of contradictions and lies. This series needs to be widely read but, unfortunately, the Star-Telegramsshort-sighted, inflexible paywall will prevent that from happening. This bit from John Fea is particularly helpful: While neo-evangelicals read periodicals likeChristianity Today, fundamentalist Baptists read John R. RicesThe Sword of the Lord. It was they who didn't truly commit to the truths upon which they claimed to be basing their lives. It uses the Bible to "treat" everything from porn addiction to drug addiction. And like everyone else in the world you want that love to mean something, to be incorporated into and desired by something worthy of it. You have all the information you need to attack me for making this statement, but I assure you that there is very little left to attack. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. The SBC has hit the default button and returned to 1959. If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. In 1638, he founded the first Baptist church in America in uncolonized Rhode Island. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. Ben Bogard (1868-1951) was its chief defender during his lifetime. While practices can vary from church to church, independent fundamental Baptists do share some core beliefs, according to Christianity Today: that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God, for example, and that people should use only the King James Version of the text.Independent fundamental Baptists refrain from engaging in pop culture and many also home-school their kids. He witnessed the same authoritarian approach. (3) Megachurch leaders face the ordinary temptations but also extraordinary pressure to cover up problems, knowing that a sniff of scandal will summon packs of critical reporters. Why does Jesus need you to speak for him, Cathy? The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. So there is some good to the IFB movement. Im not. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. Having studied this group in particular, he provides some excellent background: The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Jesus gave us the command to preach the Gospel and also to baptize those who have believed on Jesus. They didn't give over their will over to God. You served them that way. Advent Calendar Day 17: Fair and foul are near of kin, TRENDING AT PATHEOS Progressive Christian, Independent Fundamentalist Baptists are a creepy, creepy bunch. This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. To members of the Facebook groups mentioned above: Our characters are forged in the crucible of what we survive. We may read these stories of sexual abuse in churches, and tell ourselves that if something like that happened in our church, we would stand up for what is right. 4.) Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. When it is obvious he is totally broken, she will hand him the rag and very calmly say, "Johnny, clean up your mess.". Thou shalt not molest children, and if ye do thou shalt confess it to the pastor so he can hide it from the police and threaten the congregation into silence. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. I remember thinking what an idiot he was. This list sounds alot like the Mennonite Church rule book. Trieber did not respond to interview requests. In New York, a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest to a parish there after he admitted to unspecified inappropriate conduct with women, and a diocesan spiritual court recommended that he not be returned to that parish. The philosophy is you dont air your dirty laundry in front of everyone. INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTISTS FAR TOO MANY OF THEM RUN WITH DEVILS . And in a real and important sense you will always love them. Some of them are becoming social halls instead of true worship centers. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. IFB takes the "I" in its title extremely seriously; they are nothing if not independent. Landover, MD 20785. you're wrong!" Every church we went to was full of fucking pedophiles and rapists. This list also sounds similar to what Adventists practiced. ', (And since weve mentioned Bob Jones twice now, we should also mention that he was above all else a white supremacist. Toledo, Maumee, Bowling Green, Lima, Findlay all relatively large communities. Thou shalt not drive a nice car for that is vanity and takes money from the missionaries who need airplanes and new tin roofs, and food out of the fat visiting evangelists bellies (unless your the man of god, then you can drive a Suburban or a $95k brand new F350). Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. Trieber took his glasses off. Its been the M.O. A minority of Baptists contend that Baptist churches originated in the first century, deducing their claim from the fact that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. We could literally sit here all day adding standards to this; these guys are constantly changing on a whim. In 1976, Dr. Jack Trieber was called to pastor this work. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. Mullins knew that he had faculty problems, Sampey did, Fuller did, McCall did . This is a difficult question to answer because IFB is not a denomination, and each church is independent, but there are Fundamentalist fellowships and congresses which have met on rare occasion and have mentioned Calvinism. I hope you have figured out by now that you have really stepped in the proverbial shit pile. The short answer is that going to the movies supported Hollywood. Many watch movies in their home.what is the difference? However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. And if they failed to treat that greatest of gifts with the sacrosanct respect it deserves, then shame on them. Answer (1 of 2): The Fundamental Baptists that my Family and myself have been around varied wildly; some were more strict than others, while some were more lax with the rules they imposed on themselves and others. The co-founder, Paul Kingsbury, recently was forced to leave his position at North Love Baptist Church in Rockford, Ill., for his role in helping a sex . I surrendered to preach, and was called to the Lord's ministry as a result of growing up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. The cause is clear. I may yet end up in Hell myself, but I wont see you there, nor will you see me. Especially about another member of the church, said Josh Elliott, a former member of Vineyards Oklahoma City church. The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. Baptists are one of the few religious groups whose adherents dispute their own beginnings. I was rejected by two independent fundamentalist Baptist congregations in two different states, but I stand in their defense. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. eyebrow, belly button, tongue) shall be permitted to be pierced. Fundamental. Get right, stay right, amen. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Learn More. You brought all of yourself. They cant even follow their own bible when it contradicts their dogma. We will be far too busy with other concerns of self to think about the presence of others we might by then hope would be there with us. More importantly, its disrespectful to the victims who bravely came forward to share their stories with reporters from the Fort Worth paper. His manner of teaching is rough and salted with racist comments about Black folks. The Baptist church started in the 17th century in America. My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. The submissiveness of women to their husbands can be found here which is not only present in churches, this is a cultural phenomenon which also impacts the faith. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. You arent any different than those of us who have been where you are Cathy. Dispensationalism is common among Independent Baptists. 1 2 3. The website, New IFB Singles, is a ministry of Veracity Baptist Church and is lead by New . I grew up with kids who were in churches like that one. Thou shalt take your wife out to lunch on Friday afternoon; this is your allotted time with her. Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! But they also have a high regard for the Bible. although it is rushed and depends on the persons' response. We were in that same space somewhere between fundamentalism and CT-style evangelicalism that Jerry Falwell Sr. found himself in. They attended Bill Gothard seminars and proudly embraced that whole creepy business. Memo to Kathy: fuck off. I never understood it. A world where you say what is and isn't good. Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. Movement. Shaking my head, wishing I had gotten out of that place sooo much sooner than we did, you know when I shouldve used my own brain and listened to my gut.
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